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sogz7 -

Hi, quick question. How long would it take a teenager to understand, but not learn to speak,
Mandarin, if their mum were to talk to them in Mandarin all the time.
Thanx

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OneEye -

13 months, 28 days and 5 hours. Plus or minus 36 minutes.

roddy -

I think that’s an overestimate. Teenager in question is only going to have to learn to understand
enough to offer one of three standard responses:

“alright”
“nowhere”
and
“I hate you!”

As long as he / she can comprehend enough to identify general inquires, requests for information
on recent or upcoming locations, and instructions to tidy up or take out the trash we should be
fine. I think it’ll take two months.

OneEye -

Good point, roddy. I was thinking fluent listening. Teenage listening would be a different matter
entirely.

Edit: Of course, then you have to consider the amount of comprehensible input a teenager receives.
Between the iPod, the cell phone, and the general tuning-out, it may actually take 13 months to
have enough input to understand anything.

Lu -

I’ll try for a more serious answer, if no one else does.
If the mom in question would just start out speaking a lot of Mandarin to the kid, it might take a
very long time indeed for the kid to make sense of it.
But perhaps mom could slowly build it up, start out with Dinner’s ready and How was school
(’alright’ is 還好), and gradually work to more complicated stuff.
If mom would speak Mandarin to the non-Mandarin speaking teenager all day, that would quickly kill
off most, if not all, communication, so I’d suggest not starting it like that.

gougou -

Why don’t you want to learn to speak? I think if you tried to learn to speak, the whole process
might even be faster than just trying to learn to understand (because you’ll have opportunities to
practice that will reinforce what you heard before).

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Help with Ni Haishu (倪海曙) citation
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bokane -

In The Chinese Language: Fact and Fantasy, John DeFrancis has a great quote which he attributes to
Ni Haishu: “Habit is a very irrational thing [...?] The force of habit of a billion people is a
force to be feared.” I don’t have the DeFrancis book on me, unfortunately; looking at that page in
Google Books, he attributes it to Ni Haishu (1980:35-3.

I looked online and found a collection of Ni’s work entitled 杂格咙咚 published in 1980.
Ordered it, and found that it appears to be the wrong work — the quote in question doesn’t seem
to be in there, and in general the content of the book is not (for the most part) related to
romanization. Does anybody know (a) what DeFrancis is quoting, and (b) where I can get a copy? Or
- better yet - where I can find the original text online?

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mewaters -

Maybe you’ve got this figured out by now, but if not you’ll find the citation here:

http://tinyurl.com/265qqm

I could probably track it down for you if you’re still looking…might be tough to find online.

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Quizlet Online social network flash card site
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simonlaing -

Hey guys,

Here’s a sweet web site Done by MIT you can do flash cards on it. It only has a couple of Chinese
flashcards but that could change.

Free to use. It allows testing in type in, multiple choice even true false formats . It seems
pretty sweet.

I am going to put up the chinese vocab of my intermediate english class as I teach it. And perhaps
of the business class.

I think it’s versatilatity and the ability to use others sets of words makes it great.

Roddy or imron would you care to join me in putting up some high level vocab for those that want
to be challenged?

Have fun,
Simon

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gato -

There’s also FlashCardExchange, another online flashcard site, with quite a number of existing
Chinese vocab sets:
http://www.flashcardexchange.com/sea…&search=Search
chinese

imron -

You could always cull the words from the RNWOTD thread.

simonlaing -

Hey Imron,

Using Random word post, that’s a good idea. Hey Gato, I looked a little bit at that other one, but
for some of the features you had to pay once off $20 Also I didn’t see many accents on pinyin. I
like accents.
Also you had to pay the money to pay for printable flash cards. This other site is free and is
very customizable which like a lot.
I put up two lists of beginner words, Intros and Jobs. (They’re for my translation company’s
internal training class. Which will soon become an external class.)
On the testing if you do writing you can click ignore the pinyin in the parantheses to get the
computer to correct it properly.
It is just missing the fill in the blanks but it is still pretty cool I think.

Do you think there are copywright issues putting the vocab of certain books online?

Here are the links. Intro class vocabulary
Job class vocabulary

My company wants me to teach Organic-chemistry business english for secretary. I will continue to
put up vocab should be interesting I think.

Have fun,
Simon

simonlaing -

Hi All,

It seems people have not been as interested in this as me but I want to post the lists of flash
cards . The is even an Advanced Business Vocab List.
Perhaps even the lofty Roddy, Cato and Imron might have difficuly with it.

Other lists are about the English training classes I give the Chinese translators in my company.

4th Beginner Class Your City, Your home (Sunyu)

5th Beginner class Travel, holidays, things to pack (Sunyu)

6th Beginner class Food, fruit, vegetables other Part 1 (Sunyu)

7th Beginner class Activities, Sports, Games (Sunyu)

8th Beginner Chinse class Clothes, Fashion (Sunyu)

9th Beginner English-Chinese class Festivals and holidays New Year’s holiday (sunyu)

Beginner go up to 14 and I will put up some on intermediate business, and advanced business as I
get the time.

There is also a large HSK set which is good.

Have fun,
Simon

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